I think it's time for me to change my strategy,ummbut I still persist in what I said.

You can do whatever you like and honestly I don't always disagree with everything you say. Just disagree that you are going to help anything except make a whole lot of Chinese angry and make them think foreigners are assholes and hate Chinese people.

chinese in China have been blind from this real world because chinese government,long period isolation from this world,mono culture and basically mono-ethnicity.many chinese have over-optimistic views about west and China,chinese themself. guess harsh overstate criticism could impressive and change their views dramatically,now seem useless,it's time to change strategy.my motive is just very simple,help chinese know better of this world and help them to see their defects.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/26/2009 12:55AM by Kurt.

Jasuk Wrote:
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> No...no....no....Chinese guys are not cute
> you need to come china you will soon go off them.
> Spitting, picking nose, shouting, pot bellies, bad
> dress sense....believe me you not seen real
> chinese boys.
> On there other hand Japanese guys as Japan girls
> just off the meter they are jaw dropping gorgeous
> believe me the Chinese do not compare can not come
> close. I travel Japan very often and live China
> and am from UK so i know what i see.

Japanese are better looking, have you seen their pop stars? The men and women look the same, both look very very feminine. And lets just be completely racsism and say that the Japanese are off the meter of looks. You are just so entranced by the 'exoctic' look you don't realize that there are ugly Japanese. There are ugly Chinese too. There are ugly people from UK. No where is completely perfect. And you seem like the type of person who will add 'desu' to sentences and pretend to know japanese. I will laugh if you say it wrong like everyone else. I admit your post makes me think really poorly of you only because the way you idolize Japanese makes me think you a typical Japanophile. And I know those people, they suck.

By the way, have you ever dated a Japanese? Most japanese I know are racist (I say most not all) and most hate white people.

and you forgot to bash China by saying most people smoke too.... but hey I know about all those things and I still like Chinese guys. My wonderful boyfriend is chinese and well he is wonderful.

but please go to some Japanese site not here if you want to praise Japan and bash China.


[quote=Canuck]Tianna, that's weird, why they said they have school then no dating? that's bullshit, so students should not date? people work the next day should not have sex?[/quote]
I know it is... I assume its just they don't like white girls... but it is also most likely because they need to get good grades because their parents make them.. I don't know which.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2009 02:31PM by Tianna.

Uberche,

You panic,
"Your comments and postings only help create a more Nationalistic and distrusting feeling in China.."

What is wrong with that?

When was being nationalistic a crime to humanity?

Moreover, all people should be distrusting of foreigners to their own country, at least in the beginning, until those foreigners can prove to the people in the host country that they mean them no harm by either trying to instill their beliefs, culture, and/or propaganda, exploit their people through cheap labor, and/or to steal their natural resources all directly or indirectly in the service of their own home government or greedy corporations.


OBC

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2009 04:44PM by Overseas.Born.Chinese.

Overseas.Born.Chinese Wrote:
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> What is wrong with that?

It creates retards like you.

> When was being nationalistic a crime to humanity?

It's not yet... hopefully the UN fixes that at some point soon...

> Moreover, all people should be distrusting of
> foreigners to their own country, at least in the
> beginning, until those foreigners can prove to the
> people in the host country that they mean them no
> harm by either trying to instill their beliefs,
> culture, and/or propaganda, exploit their people
> through cheap labor, and/or to steal their natural
> resources all directly or indirectly in the
> service of their own home government or greedy
> corporations.

So go back and live in the China of 20 years ago instead of in the rich and decadent West.

whoa , this is really a hot issue
say something
iam a chinese girl,and i live in beijing,there r so many chinese so many chinese boys,and the guys u meet justa small amount of them,so it is hard to judge them objectively
some r nice ,some r not
but i think ppl in all countries r like that,some ,some.thats normal

Chineseboy23 Wrote:
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> Kurt,
> 你要真是荷兰人，那我觉得荷兰人应��
> �因你而耻辱。你在这里恶毒地攻击中�
> ��人，我很怀疑你的智商和情商。你并
> 不值得我去反驳什么，我认为你是一��
> �实实在在的懦夫，试想一个只会盯住�
> ��人缺点的人，他在生活中是多么令人
> 讨厌，我觉得你让我很恶心！！！！��
> �！

The forum is just peoples opinion of their experiences of China and is "one's opinion" which everyone is entitled to. As Chinese have issues with blacks,indian, ,muslims in their own country. Please remember Chinese behaviour during the olympic torch in other countries was very bad example Japan, france and UK but you have the freedom there to voice your opinion therefore the impression left by those individuals of China in those countries is pretty bad. Could they behave like that in China??? No.
I do not think Kurt has said anything i have not heard from my UK and international colleagues say when they come China. Maybe you only want hear ggod things about China which i can undertsand as you news reports never all bad issues such as Xinjiang, tibet, safety of products, quality issues, human rights this news is excluded by CCTV and Xinhua by instruction of the PARTY. But the truth is broadcast in other countries where media is not controlled by government or poltitical parties. So i think if you are chinese living in china open your mind look outside the box the party controls you and mulipulates your thinking. there are many other sites such as www.shanghaiexpat, www.chinasmack.com you should see if you want foreginers opinions of China. I have nothing against China or the people. I have chinese firends in Shanghai as well as UK. Funny enough my UK Chinese friends say bad things about China too they are Chinese!!!!
chill out Chinese bro's it a webiste forum for open discussion good or bad not threats, a chinese guys threaten me would make me laugh it would just be funny considering i am 6ft 1" and 90kg so stop making me laugh i may pee myself

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2009 11:18PM by Jasuk.

Uberche Wrote:
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> Not all Chinese guys are that way. Though a lot of
> the older men seem to be haha But the younger guys
> are usually better I'd say.


younger guys actually not better evidently.Most time i contacting with youthes.you feel better because they are up middle class urban young people,educated,pay well.have more time and money to enrich their mind and life.

Kurt, 你以为自己很聪明吧，但你把一切看得都如此消极，我很难想像你怎能把自己描述的那么好，另外我向Uberche 解释一下，Kurt 的资料显示他是荷兰人。荷兰这样一个美丽的国家居然有这一个可耻的小人。这个网站的宗旨是让世界了解中国，也让中国了解世界。不是你这样一个懦夫应该来的地方，我相信你在生活中是个道貌岸然的小人，再告诉你一句我不是民族主义者，但我很庆幸生活中不认识你这样的的人，你真的很可耻！

while i was in China the view was well....HOT lol.

Kurt just what is your problem exactly? I'm new here and I don't know if you're Dutch or whatever but I can see you clearly have some sort of issue with Chinese people. Whatever your feelings are why are you here? Why do you waste you're time in these forums if you can't stand China? Why don't you just let people love China, go to China and make up their own minds about the people?

I just spent a month in China and being half black I did notice the way the majority of people acted towards me but I still loved my time there and can't wait to go back next year.... There are things that aren't so great about China, the spitting for example but every country has it's problems (look at the rise of teenage pregnancy in the UK) and don't tell me there's no rascism in the west.

I believe that Holland will soon be under water...no haha just kidding.

Anyhoo...Chinese guys aren't cute but their sexy and hot!

Travel is one thing,Live is another thing,your experiences with chinese people aren't rich.

Does that all really matter? wow

Chineseboy23 Wrote:
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> Kurt,
> 你以为自己很聪明吧，但你把一切看徊> ?都如此消极，我很难想像你怎能把自劦gt; ??描述的那么好，另外我向Uberche
> 解释一下，Kurt
> 的资料显示他是荷兰人。荷兰这样一上> ?美丽的国家居然有这一个可耻的小人㊦gt; ??这个网站的宗旨是让世界了解中国，
> 也让中国了解世界。不是你这样一个懊> ?夫应该来的地方，我相信你在生活中抦gt; ??个道貌岸然的小人，再告诉你一句我
> 不是民族主义者，但我很庆幸生活中上> ?认识你这样的的人，你真的很可耻！

Translation:kurt,you must thought you are clever,eh?but you regard everything so negative,it's very hard for me to imagine how could you describe yourself so good,in addition I explained to Uberche that your profile shows you are a dutch,to my surprise,a beautiful country like Netherlands has a villain like you.Goal of this forum is make word know more about China,and also make China know world more,not a place for a coward like you.I deeply believe you are a dissembler and dirty doig in real life.in addition,telling you,but I am not a nationalistc person,I feel lucky I don't know a person like you in real life,you are really shameful

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2009 07:31AM by Kurt.

Uberche,

You say,
"So go back and live in the China of 20 years ago instead of in the rich and decadent West."

Your statement above has no meaning except one.

That is, you believe China should allow itself to be brainwashed by foreign propaganda, have its labor exploited by foreign businesses, and natural resources stolen by the West. Spoken like the true in-the-closet Western liberal neo-imperialist that you are, who tries to masquerade as a so-called friend of China.

Furthermore, stop insulting Chinese people by saying that we owe everything to the West or that it was the West that saved China from living in the stone age. As Kurt pointed out, China still ranked at a relatively lower stage of economic development versus other nations in the World. Hence, all your talk of the West's contribution to China's current glorious economic development is just a fallacy.


OBC

Yes I did just travel there kurt but I have made many friends who live over there and meeting them all was just amazing. I even got to meet the whole family of one girl I speak to online and they made me feel so welcome, it's something I will never forget and i'm sure at first some of the family were a little shocked their daughter's pen friend was a black girl but by the end of the night they were all pretty much used to me :p

Overseas.Born.Chinese Wrote:
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> Your statement above has no meaning except one.
>
> That is, you believe China should allow itself to
> be brainwashed by foreign propaganda, have its
> labor exploited by foreign businesses, and natural
> resources stolen by the West.

haha you're a joke. I meant if you love China and hate the West and don't want to support the GPE, go back to China. Simple. Except you love your life in the West because you getso many great toys and things to play with, life's so comfortable and easy there! So no, you'll just stay there and support that you hate. Good job you American Oppressor you.

> Furthermore, stop insulting Chinese people by
> saying that we owe everything to the West or that
> it was the West that saved China from living in
> the stone age. As Kurt pointed out, China still
> ranked at a relatively lower stage of economic
> development versus other nations in the World.
> Hence, all your talk of the West's contribution to
> China's current glorious economic development is
> just a fallacy.

Never said they owe everything, just said China and the West have worked as partners. Both owe each other a lot (good and bad).

Shareenypoohs Wrote:
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> Yes I did just travel there kurt but I have made
> many friends who live over there and meeting them
> all was just amazing. I even got to meet the whole
> family of one girl I speak to online and they made
> me feel so welcome, it's something I will never
> forget and i'm sure at first some of the family
> were a little shocked their daughter's pen friend
> was a black girl but by the end of the night they
> were all pretty much used to me :p


I have chinese friends too.they are nice has nothing to do they are chinese,they are your friends,so they treat you nice.it's mammal 's normal nature.

Tianna Wrote:
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> Jasuk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No...no....no....Chinese guys are not cute
> > you need to come china you will soon go off
> them.
> > Spitting, picking nose, shouting, pot bellies,
> bad
> > dress sense....believe me you not seen real
> > chinese boys.
> > On there other hand Japanese guys as Japan
> girls
> > just off the meter they are jaw dropping
> gorgeous
> > believe me the Chinese do not compare can not
> come
> > close. I travel Japan very often and live China
> > and am from UK so i know what i see.
>
> Japanese are better looking, have you seen their
> pop stars? The men and women look the same, both
> look very very feminine. And lets just be
> completely racsism and say that the Japanese are
> off the meter of looks. You are just so entranced
> by the 'exoctic' look you don't realize that there
> are ugly Japanese. There are ugly Chinese too.
> There are ugly people from UK. No where is
> completely perfect. And you seem like the type of
> person who will add 'desu' to sentences and
> pretend to know japanese. I will laugh if you say
> it wrong like everyone else. I admit your post
> makes me think really poorly of you only because
> the way you idolize Japanese makes me think you a
> typical Japanophile. And I know those people, they
> suck.
>
> By the way, have you ever dated a Japanese? Most
> japanese I know are racist (I say most not all)
> and most hate white people.
>
> and you forgot to bash China by saying most people
> smoke too.... but hey I know about all those
> things and I still like Chinese guys. My wonderful
> boyfriend is chinese and well he is wonderful.
>
> but please go to some Japanese site not here if
> you want to praise Japan and bash China.
>
>
> Tianna, that's weird, why they said they have
> school then no dating? that's bullshit, so
> students should not date? people work the next day
> should not have sex?
> I know it is... I assume its just they don't like
> white girls... but it is also most likely because
> they need to get good grades because their parents
> make them.. I don't know which.


Ohhh..didn't we get out of bed wrong side today

Fact i am married to Japanese girl and have a 1 year old son;
Fact i spend 40% of my life in China (where i live) and 40% Japan remaining in other asian countries and middle east;
Fact are Japs racist of course they are as well the Chinese and Americans(KKK) and probably all nationalities;
Fact i am not white i am British Born Indian (so lovely brown colour) so am completely "exoctic" myself;
Fact Can i speak Japan of course i can...desu (です) go to Japan not look at websites you may learn more; アメリカの女子はちょっとばかですね！！！
Fact Ugly people in Japan, never don't believe you, USA i can understand;
Fact Do i bash Chinese, no, if you come to China (and i do not mean China town in USA) you will see chinese here have different manners and behaviour to those USA or UK born Chinese. My opinion right or wrong.I have UK born chinese friends who would not put foot in China and i have a chinese guy sitting opposite me now!!! We laughed at your post as he too has travelled to Japan;
Fact do i love Japan of course it do same as you NYC, LA and Bronx
Fact do you know what you talking about ...NO
Fact you have chinese boyfriend well done your life goal is achieved

Maybe Fact your first Boyfriend ever
Maybe Fact you know nothing about China thus reason you check internet
Maybe Fact your Chinese boy friend knows nothing about China thus reason he checks internet
Maybe Fact you do not know where China is on Map and it is not suburb of LA
Maybe Fact the novelty of Chinese will wear off in couple months and you will go your separate ways and you find hill billy get married have 5 kids
Maybe Fact your parents don't know you have chinese boyfriend as will be against relationship
Maybe Fact his parents don't know he has American girlfriend as will be against relationship
Maybe Fact you have never travelled outside USA
Maybe Fact going out just 1 week when his mother lets him out

I could go on all day, i getting little bored now !!! Anyone please feel free to add more ....

Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/2009 05:48AM by Jasuk.

I am a chinese boy at my school they keep making fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know what all the people i like at my school did not like me no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye every one till next time

Brandonchineseboy Wrote:
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> I am a chinese boy at my school they keep making
> fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know what
m
> no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye every
> one till next time

common oversea chinese's story
you know what?at this forum,we have many daydreamer chinese want date foreigner by this forum.I think you should tell your chinese fellow countryman more your real abroad experience,many chinese has over-optimism ideas about themself and their social rank abroad.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/07/2009 12:35AM by Kurt.

Brandonchineseboy Wrote:
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> I am a chinese boy at my school they keep making
> fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know what
> all the people i like at my school did not like me
> no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye every
> one till next time

dude, it sad to hear. But there plenty kids in your shoes, when growing up in UK we were also subjected to Racism, being 1st generation of British born Indians. You find these guys fairly dumb and in groups like to impress their mates, but alone they are fairly weak. There no point resorting to volience as it just makes situation worse as it did many times in my school, as you get gangs forming did not resolve anything things got worse. Best at times turn the other cheeky walk away it takes a stronger person to do that. But Racism follows you through life even in working life, it just depends how you deal with it. As now i am slightly mentally unstable i will take anyone on if i think they being racist and smash their teeth out their face, worst thing is i do it at business meetings ..hahah

My son is half Japanese, also has almond eyes, to me are the most beautiful eyes many people comments on his eyes. My wife also has beautiful eyes as she is Japanese. You chinese you have almond eyes, me indian i have brown skin thats what makes us what we are, and to be nonest i would change anything, you have to be proud of what you are

Racism will also exist we can't change the world over night, be it in UK, USA, Japan, even China...yes Chinese are racist agsinst certain groups of people, foreginers and even mixed race Chinese and black kids as you can read form link below:
Racism against Lou Jing (Mixed Race Chinese & Black Girl)

There is no point feeling low about it, its life and yes at times a struggle but there is always light at the end of the tunnel, i been there and thousand other kids will too. My son too will experience some form of racism being mixed in UK and in Japan but he will be more wiser as the cultures and knowledge will put him a step higher than the igorance of the local racist.
All i can suggest if anyone calls you name turn to them give big smile , laugh and walk away, after while they will realise their words have no impact on you eventual they will get fed up and go bully some old people instead as it is the level of mentality these sort of people are...only advice i can give you

This is probably the most sensible post i have done to date.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/07/2009 01:34AM by Jasuk.

Brandonchineseboy Wrote:
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> I am a chinese boy at my school they keep making
> fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know what
> all the people i like at my school did not like me
> no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye every
> one till next time


you know,.you need be tough, show people asian pride.... talk like gangsta..that's how highschool chicks like, bad boys...
also, need go out and party...

"I hopped off the plane at LAX
with a dream and my cardigan
welcome to the land of fame excess, (woah)
am I gonna fit in?"


i was shy, then i learn lessons, girls do not like shy boys..

You know, long time ago, back in China, I think name and fame, money, good grade are everything, no they are not.

I came to Canada, I think family, friendship, happiness are more important than money.
So , I am not going to sacrifice family and friendship for happiness and grade.


“Remember all the things we wanted
Now all our memories, they're haunted
We were always meant to say goodbye
Even with our fists held high
It never would have worked out right, yeah
We were never meant for do or die...

I didn't want us to burn out
I didn't come here to hurt you now I can't stop...”

You know? Life is short, just enjoy today.

I know this is quite North American way of thinking.
Back then, I do not know what is fun, back in China, all I care about is to make so much money and I do not have to be worry about anything, because our family was used to be really poor.

U know? In China, if you are poor, people will look down upon on you, you get rip off and rape by corrupted government, dirty cop, dirty DA. It’s matter of surviving eh? it’s like the street in Detroit? I am telling ya.


In Canada, this is not the case, everyone is equal, even the homeless people, live in dignity


Tianna Wrote:
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> Jasuk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No...no....no....Chinese guys are not cute
> > you need to come china you will soon go off
> them.
> > Spitting, picking nose, shouting, pot bellies,
> bad
> > dress sense....believe me you not seen real
> > chinese boys.
> > On there other hand Japanese guys as Japan
> girls
> > just off the meter they are jaw dropping
> gorgeous
> > believe me the Chinese do not compare can not
> come
> > close. I travel Japan very often and live China
> > and am from UK so i know what i see.
>
> Japanese are better looking, have you seen their
> pop stars? The men and women look the same, both
> look very very feminine. And lets just be
> completely racsism and say that the Japanese are
> off the meter of looks. You are just so entranced
> by the 'exoctic' look you don't realize that there
> are ugly Japanese. There are ugly Chinese too.
> There are ugly people from UK. No where is
> completely perfect. And you seem like the type of
> person who will add 'desu' to sentences and
> pretend to know japanese. I will laugh if you say
> it wrong like everyone else. I admit your post
> makes me think really poorly of you only because
> the way you idolize Japanese makes me think you a
> typical Japanophile. And I know those people, they
> suck.
>
> By the way, have you ever dated a Japanese? Most
> japanese I know are racist (I say most not all)
> and most hate white people.
>
> and you forgot to bash China by saying most people
> smoke too.... but hey I know about all those
> things and I still like Chinese guys. My wonderful
> boyfriend is chinese and well he is wonderful.
>
> but please go to some Japanese site not here if
> you want to praise Japan and bash China.
>
>
> Tianna, that's weird, why they said they have
> school then no dating? that's bullshit, so
> students should not date? people work the next day
> should not have sex?
> I know it is... I assume its just they don't like
> white girls... but it is also most likely because
> they need to get good grades because their parents
> make them.. I don't know which.

Canuck Wrote:
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> Brandonchineseboy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am a chinese boy at my school they keep
> making
> > fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know
> what
> > all the people i like at my school did not like
> me
> > no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye
> every
> > one till next time
>
>
> you know,.you need be tough, show people asian
> pride.... talk like gangsta..that's how highschool
> chicks like, bad boys...
> also, need go out and party...

Aisan pride?chinese pride?proud of what things?

WTF, i can't believe CHinese like you can question "pride of what"? aren't you proud of being Chinese?

Kurt Wrote:
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> Canuck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brandonchineseboy Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I am a chinese boy at my school they keep
> > making
> > > fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know
> > what
> > > all the people i like at my school did not
> like
> > me
> > > no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye
> > every
> > > one till next time
> >
> >
> > you know,.you need be tough, show people asian
> > pride.... talk like gangsta..that's how
> highschool
> > chicks like, bad boys...
> > also, need go out and party...
>
> Aisan pride?chinese pride?proud of what things?

I am not chinese national.

Canuck Wrote:
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> Brandonchineseboy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am a chinese boy at my school they keep
> making
> > fun of us chinese peoples eyes and you know
> what
> > all the people i like at my school did not like
> me
> > no body likes me and Im too shy =( good bye
> every
> > one till next time
>
>
> you know,.you need be tough, show people asian
> pride.... talk like gangsta..that's how highschool
> chicks like, bad boys...
> also, need go out and party...


Pride is one thing, taking the blows and standing up for it can be quite another. But talking "gangsta"? Come on, that's just dumb. A one way ticket into a gang and a failed future.

Know your history of the Vancouver area Canuck? A newly arrive Chinese kid in our class, big for his age, little English, no friends, picked on. In one of the fewer and fewer classes that he showed up at he tried reaching out to us. Sad story. In the time when this sort of thing didn't happen he went into the Chinese theater on Broadway and whacked businessman. He'd told us of his worried mother when he got the 2am "come fight" calls school nights. The pistol pressed into his palm and the command "you shoot". And that's just what he did.

Inner pride is your true strength. Know that nobody can take that from you Brandonchineseboy.

Kurt you idiot, tell that to your own kids and see how they turn out!

tell what?

>Aisan pride?chinese pride?proud of what things?confused smiley