Just read the caption of this thread and it was enough for me.

Though I might excuse the rude manners of the average Chinese people and their impoliteness, I can't forgive them for their resentment and inhumanity towards people who were born different. I taveled in China for some months and encountered many of their strange behaviours. But I really can't explain their lack of sympathy and unwillingness to help a stranger or a tourist who comes to visit their land. It's quite easy to feel this in the air. The cold emotionless facial expressions when speaking with them. Their refusal to help one on the street just because he or she is a foreigner. Many times I felt helpless and sought for some advice. Yet, many of them seemed not to care as though I am a stray dog. I haven't witnessed such behaviour in other cultures I had the chance to meet with. Some cultures tend to receive foreigners as their guests. They try their best to be good hosts and welcome warmly the people who visit their country. It seems that the notion of hospitability and warm-heartedness are yet strange to the Chinese mentality.
To put it further, many Chinese have a very developed sense of trade. And they do it in a very dishonest way. Though being so unfriendly to foreigners, they add up another disadvantage of being professional cheaters. They will try to rip off a foreigner by all kinds of mean tricks. They have no shame or self-respect regarding this. One might think they need money to support their children and family. Yet, the economial conditions of many of them are much better than those people who live in S.E.A.
I have visited Myanmar ( Burma ) which borders China at the South. The people of this country are really impoverished and beggars are to be found almost everywhere. Yet, the Burmese people are really honest compared to Chinese. And they are gentle-behaving too.
Whatever the reasons which cause Chinese people to behave the way they do, I really can't forgive many of them for their misconduct.
And it is almost 4 year after I am back home. China was an ordeal for me.

Another daily experience I have with Chinese people is doing business with them by the internet. I work in a trading company dealing with electronic components. Many Chinese companies tend to lie and not keep their promise regarding conditions agreed upon in advance. It is really risky to trust them or send them money in advance.
I really feel no respect for them.

what is S.E.A?many chinese are dishonest by the way.

Kurt Wrote:
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> what is S.E.A?many chinese are dishonest by the
> way.



i guess S.E.A is Southeast Asia

Cailiping Wrote:
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> Kurt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > what is S.E.A?many chinese are dishonest by the
> > way.
>
>
>
> i guess S.E.A is Southeast Asia

thanks,Cailiping.

Hi Kurt,

I have lived in China for nearly 20 years before I moved to live in Australia for another 10 years. Personally I agree with part of your opinions regarding average Chinese people. I read through some of comments from other people either local chinese or people from other countries. My personal opinions are:

1. We need know there is huge culture difference between chinese and christian culture;
2. Even inside the christian culture, the difference between different countries are also different. Dutch culuture is definately different to Australian. ( I have quite a few dutch friends here. And they are quite different to English background Australians even though they are born and grown up in Australia.)
3. Every culture has is good and bad side. I don't think we can say which one is better than the other.
4. As the hygien thing of chinese, i admit average chinese are not caring too much of the public cleaness. It is a really bad habit. There is a long way for chinese people to improve. The basic reason behind it is poverish. Everyone loves walking or living in a clean place. The short of public cleaning system such as litter colletions etc makes it hard for average chinese keep the public clean. It is not the nature of average chinese.
5. The current chinese education system is totally manipulated by chinese government in someway. In another world, people have been educated to be not themselves. ( that is also why you think chinese lies a lot.) People lie to survive.
6. Personal suggestion, you need down yourself to understand chinese people rather than stand in a priority position and judge them. Otherwise you will never be able to understand the people and culuture there. ( When I read the book by Mark Polo, I think back then an average chinese would also think of european the same way as you think of chinese now.)
7. Nothinkg is wrong for people discriminate each other. It is a nature of human being as an animal.

Finally good luck for your stay in China. Hopefully you will get what you want to know.... Cheers.

Melbguy Wrote:
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> Hi Kurt,
>
> I have lived in China for nearly 20 years before I
> moved to live in Australia for another 10 years.
> Personally I agree with part of your opinions
> regarding average Chinese people. I read through
> some of comments from other people either local
> chinese or people from other countries. My
> personal opinions are:
>
> 1. We need know there is huge culture difference
> between chinese and christian culture;
> 2. Even inside the christian culture, the
> difference between different countries are also
> different. Dutch culuture is definately different
> to Australian. ( I have quite a few dutch friends
> here. And they are quite different to English
> background Australians even though they are born
> and grown up in Australia.)
> 3. Every culture has is good and bad side. I don't
> think we can say which one is better than the
> other.
> 4. As the hygien thing of chinese, i admit average
> chinese are not caring too much of the public
> cleaness. It is a really bad habit. There is a
> long way for chinese people to improve. The basic
> reason behind it is poverish. Everyone loves
> walking or living in a clean place. The short of
> public cleaning system such as litter colletions
> etc makes it hard for average chinese keep the
> public clean. It is not the nature of average
> chinese.
> 5. The current chinese education system is totally
> manipulated by chinese government in someway. In
> another world, people have been educated to be not
> themselves. ( that is also why you think chinese
> lies a lot.) People lie to survive.
> 6. Personal suggestion, you need down yourself to
> understand chinese people rather than stand in a
> priority position and judge them. Otherwise you
> will never be able to understand the people and
> culuture there. ( When I read the book by Mark
> Polo, I think back then an average chinese would
> also think of european the same way as you think
> of chinese now.)
> 7. Nothinkg is wrong for people discriminate each
> other. It is a nature of human being as an
> animal.
>
> Finally good luck for your stay in China.
> Hopefully you will get what you want to know....
> Cheers.

Kindly hint for you,I can read as much chinese as any normal chinese person,need more hints?

Melbguy wrote:
4. As the hygien thing of chinese, i admit average
> chinese are not caring too much of the public
> cleaness. It is a really bad habit. There is a
> long way for chinese people to improve. The basic
> reason behind it is poverish. Everyone loves
> walking or living in a clean place. The short of
> public cleaning system such as litter colletions
> etc makes it hard for average chinese keep the
> public clean. It is not the nature of average
> chinese.

well,I have shared several dorms with chinese,we don't lack Sanitary Equipment,we have rubbish can,but they still threw rubbish away everywhere on floor and deskes.and you go to the chinese public toliet,shit leave over in squatting pan is so common,and that's not because they don't have tap water to flush shit,I known some chinese don't do like this,but many many other chinese do so,considering major population of chinese are countryside chinese,it's not overstating.seriously,it's not because facility or equipment,it's a matter of manner and mentality,inconsiderate behaviors.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2009 02:41PM by Kurt.

Kurt,你说的很多事是正确的，可是你忽略的是人口数量。温总理说过任何小数乘以13亿都成了一个大数目。我认为你把自己的一些经历无限放大了。换句话说你看问题太过绝对化，可世界上有那么绝对的东西吗？中国人口太多了，所以不能一概而论！最后我还是挺感谢你，你对中国可是真够了解的，连人们上厕所不冲都记得那么清楚，希望你继续给我们挑错，好让我们提高自己的文明程度，不过既然你生活在中国，还是多看看中国的好吧，因为总是给别人挑错自己不是也很累吗？我建议你戴个红袖章上写“特邀文明监督员--荷兰大爷 K u r t” 祝你在中国生活愉快！

Melbguy Wrote:
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> 4. As the hygien thing of chinese, i admit average
> chinese are not caring too much of the public
> cleaness. It is a really bad habit. There is a
> long way for chinese people to improve. The basic
> reason behind it is poverish. Everyone loves
> walking or living in a clean place. The short of
> public cleaning system such as litter colletions
> etc makes it hard for average chinese keep the
> public clean. It is not the nature of average
> chinese.

Damn... I hate to have to agree with Kurt but a lack of public litter collections and the public cleaning system is not what causes the mess. It's only because China has such a GREAT Public Cleaning System (they pay poor people to sweep continually) that China isn't worse. And there are little bins all over the streets.

It seems to be in many Chinese's nature to throw stuff, spit and generally make a mess everywhere in public. Not all Chinese by any stretch, but this is one problem that seems very wide spread...

Why you guys are into some subjective topics so much??

I say, the thread poster kurt is an attention-hungry and ex parte drill guy, sorry, as you see, my comment is also so subjective and stinky, that's all.

If you keep drilling and digging, then nothing really matters, the most original essence of this world is--nothing. The form is emptiness, and the emptiness is the form.

And plus---existence is reasonable, don't be a mr question, you will live much easier and happier

Extraordinary Wrote:
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> Why you guys are into some subjective topics so
> much??
>
> I say, the thread poster kurt is an
> attention-hungry and ex parte drill guy, sorry, as
> you see, my comment is also so subjective and
> stinky, that's all.
>
> If you keep drilling and digging, then nothing
> really matters, the most original essence of this
> world is--nothing. The form is emptiness, and the
> emptiness is the form.
>
> And plus---existence is reasonable, don't be a mr
> question, you will live much easier and happier

Ohhh!!! aren't we a little bitch today!!!
Subjective, personal opinions who gives a toss....obviousily you.
Maybe comments hav touch a nerve.
If you do not want to hear anyones "opinion" subjetive or objective you in the wrong place.
You being a bitch is "subjective" but i have made a subjective decision based on objective facts you posted!!!
I really don't undertsand most the philosophical bullshit you speaking actually!!

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2009 12:57PM by Jasuk.

chinese don't thinking logically,even chinese litterateur 林语堂 also thought so.This is not irony,it's true.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2009 01:58PM by Kurt.

不得不说你们看中国人不文明的一面比较准确，可问题是缺乏建设性。这就很让人怀疑你们的动机，这里俨然已经成了公共厕所，把你们所有的不满在这里倾泻。Jasuk 和 Kurt 先生你们连自己的年龄和国籍都隐瞒了，难道你们是美国中情局的特工？

Chineseboy23 Wrote:
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> 不得不说你们看中国人不文明的一面��
> �较准确，可问题是缺乏建设性。这就�
> ��让人怀疑你们的动机，这里俨然已经
> 成了公共厕所，把你们所有的不满在��
> �里倾泻。Jasuk 和 Kurt
> 先生你们连自己的年龄和国籍都隐瞒��
> �，难道你们是美国中情局的特工？

Translation:Have to say your attitude about uncivilized sides of chinese is precise relatively,but problems is lack of constructive.this make us chinese wonder your motive to do so,as though this forum is a public toilet,you pour all your grievances here.Mister kurt and mister Jasuk even have hided their ages and nationalities,is it possible that you two are american secret agents of US Central Intelligence Agency?

yeah,if this forum look like toilet,it must be a chinese toilet.

Extraordinary Wrote:
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> And plus---existence is reasonable, don't be a mr
> question, you will live much easier and happier

Are you telling people NOT to question things? I don't really get your point here either to be honest...

中国好的或者不好的方面，这些任由你喜欢或者不喜欢都不会发生改变，在世界的某一个角落有这样网站，来讨论到是一件好事，但是不停地宣泄不满就和某些论坛一味鼓吹优秀方面一样不知所谓。不说这是一个影响力不大的论坛，即使是一个世界知名的论坛，你能召唤起全世界人们对中国或者中国人的反感又能怎样，核武攻击还是人道毁灭？谁都有自己的路要走，言论有理有据能够接受的时候就是有力的，偏激宣泄和没有说是一个样子。小孩子总是会说：**很讨厌很讨厌很讨厌，然后大哭，但是大人也只会安慰说，是的，**是个坏小孩，你不要和他一起玩了，，但是**真的是个坏小孩吗，或者这些评论真的会对他有什么影响吗？如果是引导改正还有积极性可言，要是一味批判也不能实质说出改变的方法，好像也没有什么意义。

take it easy,Plupie,just chitchat.

hey,i am just a harmless Chinese Canadian dude here, I have no connection with uncle Sam and Feds…

why people always think we are trying to bash China?
Not necessary at all, you know? We all hope China to be a better place on the earth..

Hey, China achieved economic wonder; don’t you think human rights and justice are less important than GDP?

Of course, there is corruption too, I mean I miss old time of China, real socialism, while people are not suffer from social injustice.

Chineseboy23 Wrote:
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> 不得不说你们看中国人不文明的一面��
> �较准确，可问题是缺乏建设性。这就�
> ��让人怀疑你们的动机，这里俨然已经
> 成了公共厕所，把你们所有的不满在��
> �里倾泻。Jasuk 和 Kurt
> 先生你们连自己的年龄和国籍都隐瞒��
> �，难道你们是美国中情局的特工？


请不要给别人乱带帽子， 如果他们是特工，那可真是浪费纳税人的金钱呢。早就被人举报了。

说中国不好的并不代表不爱国啊？

我还老说加拿大的不好呢。 不过我还是很热爱加拿大的

Kurt, I agree with you in some way but not total. Between black and white, there is grey.........

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