Look at this Chanel 4 Report!
Some young Chinese are wearing Nazi's uniform and re"play" World War II, they identified to Nazis who standed alone against all...
Is it common in Chinese youth?

Channel 4 likes to broadcast this kind of documentary, this is probably exagerated...

No,China is a one of the sufferer of the World War 2,China hates all Fascists,special the Japan.the young you have seen is a small number,or they were just wanted a fun(although they go the wrong way)

My English is not very good,If there is any syntax error,sorry to everyone~~

Hi to all!

It's a pity that people tend to forget horrible things so quickly. For example, the World War II and the Nazis. If you asked your grandparents about the war, you would never wear Nazi uniforms again.

P.S. I've seen this in my own country, especially among the young people.

I think that's may be sure.
but i don't think it's a very terrible thing.
it is just a prank of some young men.
to some country which have evil intentions,that just nothing.

so i deprecate the title.

some peoples always attacked china with another objective.

Anybody who has studied what happened to China in WW2 will understand they mostly view themselves as having been victimized during WW2 by Japan. I think the point of the video is that mainland China still feels this way.

The kids you see in the video are roleplaying a counter-culture fantasy that only now are they able to do. It is a good thing [tm] that the Chinese youth have a venue in which to express these views. This wasn't always the case.

As a citizen of the USA, I view this video as very similar to Americans roleplaying their favorite characters from King Arthur and Camelot in the dark ages. Nobody thinks the dark ages were the height of humanity, nobody wishes the world would revert to the dark ages, and yet people still have fun reinacting those days as part of their fantasy lives. The key is to recognize the difference between having fun and a sincere effort to defeat the status quo.

Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2007 09:36PM by teri.

Teri,

The difference between King Arthur and the Nazis, is that King Arthur's victims or direct descents are not alive today.

What would Chinese said if we in Europe played for fun the japanese invader in China during the same WW2? Can we ask them to understand that we are just having fun? Won't they feel we do not respect their pain?

Hi, everyone
incredibable, why did they do that? I am confused about today's youngers. I can not understand their thought and behavior. Maybe they really just want to have some fun. But they are also really running a absolutely wrong way.

To be honest the facists should only be remembered as a mistake and for us never to go back to facism again. It should not be re-enacted by youths in such ways. Europe has seen its time with facists, communists, pure capitalism, and feudalism. All of which truned out to be terrible parts of history. Stalins russia was from a humanities point of view a disgrace. The facists were disgusting and caused genocides. Pure capitalism found the working classes suffering ridiculously under the rich. And feudalism was a society full of inequality, where poor stayed poor and rich stayed rich and powerful. The only thing to have worked in Europe is social democracy.

This video is right...and wrong. I, myself, am a Nationalist and very proud of it. I am a member of the Guo Min Dang Political Party. There are many radical Nationalist groups in China, but they resemble groups in the U.S like the Black Panthers or the KKK. Nationalism within China is not opposed by the government because of its radical possibilities. The Chinese government strongly agree with cursing Japan and their actions, which have scarred China, her government, and her people. I, personally, do hate the actions that Japan committed. However, I do realize that Japan has changed. It is a nation who now is begging for China's foregiveness, as China is also searching for an apology. We must work cooperately, rather than fight one another. Only then may issues be resolved. Only then will we truly get what we all seek.

The Chinese government does, however, oppose Nationalism because of pre - Mao actions. When the Nationalists were forced to Taiwan, Nationalism was strictly forbidden because of rebellious fears. Today, this still stands strong.

The people of the world should see a China past its government. Past what ridiculous propoganda has been pumping out of it. Although suppressed for decades, Chinese tradition is still very much alive. This radical China forseen by many is simply an illusion of China's true form.

A very important thing to know is about China's youth. I was born in Beijing and live in Shanghai. I am a "youngster", yet these ideals being portrayed of us in the video are actually very very untrue. The main thing Chinese youth wants is freedom. A voice in China's actions. The idea that we want a destroyed Japan is completely ridiculous claim. Japan doesn't even come into the picture when it comes to Chinese youth. It is an internal battle that we wage, not an external one. We all must remember that the Chinese - Japanese war lasted 8 years. The Communist - Nationalist Civil War lasted 23 years.

However, while this holds very true, it is much better as a whole to abandon these war-mongering ideals. We, China, Japan, the U.S, everybody who shares this world, should come together as one. We are one global family. We, as a family, should not settle our differences through violence and hate, as portrayed in the video. However, we should come together as one and work out our differences. Better yet, push them aside. Yes, Japan's actions were atrocious. However, the past remains solely as the past. Chinese youth, people, and even her government all have either a majority or at least a good number of people who support common peace and non-violent ideals.

I agree with some of what you say but a national group like the KKK is hated. America itself should not be able to have facist groups as everyone apart from native indians are foreigners.
I don't like extremists and i hate facists and nationalists. The UK is a multicultural society and nationalism would destroy us. Nationalism isn't a party, it is scum to my eyes. They have caused more harm and stir up hatred on other peoples. We all know what happened to the Jews and Gypsies in the second world war. I would not like to hear or see that in my news a second time. Because that is what nationalism is, it is when people are too scared to call themselves facists, so they use a name that won't draw as much attention. Nationalists think there country is the best, they are the higher race of human, and other races should be treated like animals.

Sir, I understand your point. However you are quite mistaken when it comes to your definition of Nationalism.

I believe, and am basing it off assumption, that seeing this video and what Nationalism can be, you portray Nationalism as a violent, hateful, and destructive idea. The term Nationalism is defined as an overwhelming love of your nation. Patriots in the U.S are Nationalists. You speak of the U.K, so I suppose you're from there. There are people in the U.K who love their nation with all their hearts and are extremely proud of their heritage. This is Nationalism. So, saying that Nationalism would destroy the U.K is an untrue statement, since Nationalism is everywhere.

Also, to prove the point that Nationalism is only about 1/4 bad, look at the Chinese. The Communists and the Nationalists fought over the land. However, the Communists fought for fascism. The Nationalists promoted and strongly carried democracy as their frontrunner. Before the Nationalists were ousted into Taiwan, China held a democratic government solely because of the Nationalists. Today, Taiwan is one of the 5 tigers of East Asia. Taiwan has become one of the most prosperous and great nations of East Asia. Their parties consist mainly of Nationalist ideals.

With all of this aside, I again must bring my true standpoint on such issues out. We are all living on this Earth. It doesn't matter who or what you are: Nationalist, Communist, Democrat, etc. We all share the Earth. Why fight one another? There is only bad that will come from this. We must come together, and work together in a joint effort towards peace. I do not speak to you, Tiber, as your enemy. I simply am stating my thoughts to you. Your last response, I could tell, carried some anger. This is the true problem, I believe. The problem is not what we believe. It's how we believe it. People need to learn that if you fight violence with violence, only more violence will come from this. Yet if you settle your issues with peace, good can and will come from what you do.

I must speak to you again from my own knowledge of my own system. Our nationalist party is called the BNP, British National Party. It is not only of love for its nation nor are they patriotic, they are a party formed on racist views. They go on the view of what immigrants have done against the country. That immigrants have taken there jobs and cause violence. The Naziparty was a nationalist party. It is by name National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus). That is a nationalist party. This is a terminology of Nazism.

Nazism or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich. The official name of the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP). Nazism was the main form of National Socialism that emerged after World War I, and is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism.

Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and groups, sparked by anger at the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/Communist conspiracy (known in the vernacular as the Dolchstoßlegende or "Stab-in-the-Back Legend") to humiliate Germany at the end of the First World War. The National Socialist party described itself as socialist, and, at the time, conservative opponents such as the Industrial Employers Association described it as "totalitarian, terrorist, conspiratorial, and socialist."

Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, ethnic nationalism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism, a racially-defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism, anti-communism, and totalitarianism.

From all my knowledge of national parties and communist parties is that bad comes from them and it is the people that have suffered through each regime. From Stalins russia, to Hitlers Germany all have caused suffering. And i believe although the chinese communist party is relaxing a bit, it also causes harm to people in its country. Such as those in rural regions of china and tibet.

In Buddhism, there is a constant statute to be tolerant of others. However, what we are currently doing is displaying poor character. We must all work together towards our common goal of peace.

You see, when we debate here, we are not solving anything. Instead, we are acting contrary to what we are working towards. Yes, I have my opinion and you have yours. However, what's important is channeling the fact that you want your opinion to be heard.

For example, in Tibet, people are quite discontent over the protestors and how things have unfolded. However, my personal belief is that there is a good amount of hypocrisy on both sides. The Tibetan people wish to have peace and prosperity throughout China. Freedom and peace for their nation. For this to occur, a certain amount of tolerance is required. For peace to occur, you must be tolerant of one another. However, when I see these people out in the streets protesting the government, how should one respond to this? This...hypocrisy?

The main goal of Buddhism is kindness, peace, and inner enlightenment. However, to reach these things, one must become tolerant of life. Of those who are not kind, tolerant, and peaceful. When the same people who are working towards peace and kindness go against this, you can only but wonder why.

So, to make my point, we are furthering this hypocrisy. We all want a better world. Everybody wishes for this. No matter how we want it. Through peace and kindness, and most importantly, tolrance, we can acheive this goal that was thought to be impossible. I will leave you, not to post another comment in response to you again, with a statement from 李连杰 (Jet Li): "Anger and negative emotions don't solve problems. We should be observant of the nature of person-to-person interactions related to behavīors and moods. When there are negative emotions it doesn't necessarily solve anything. When bad temper arises, wisdom approaches an all-time low. Only logic, wisdom, compassion and consultation can solve problems. However, a bad temper is not the scariest things. Postiive and negative emotions are a reflection of nature. Negative emotions are like dark clouds -- even though they cover up the sun it eventually becomes a thing of the past. In that context, it isn't so bad. You can live a happy life as long as you observe and gain an understanding of how things work naturally."

我希望你会找到和平。
~李常旺

I am catholic myself. As i see Christ asked us 'to love one another' the same as the budist teaching to look for peace and to achieve this you need tolerance. Yet, if us catholics were tolerant and peaceful with mousallini and hitler we would not be living in the same way as today. Sometimes you must chose the lesser of the two evils and fight for your cause. Peaceful protest for the last half century has not helped the tibetans and as a people on average have declined by one million. There used to be six million tibetans in the world now there are five million. For there to be peace and tolerance it needs to come from both sides but the chinese government has failed.
Our country is very tolerant, more so then americans. Our cities are full of races and cultures. We didn't used to be and we ruled Ireland. We ruled them harshly and they fought back in 1916, the easter sunday rising. We lost ireland and i want china to lose tibet as tibet does not get the better deal being under the control of china.

Hi, Arnold
I'm paul from China.
I can tell you the truth that it is not common at all in China!
According to my understanding, they are showing their hatred towording Fascists and Nazis in this way, or maybe they are comparing Japanese invaders to Nazis by re-playing Japanese invaders' cruelty and violence towards Chinese people so as to let people to remember the history.

I do not disagree that it is uncommon. But maybe these few people are apart of a nationalist facist party.

the truth is that Japan was Nazi and not China..

Actually Japan was imperialistic, not facist. The only Nazi's were Germans, and maybe they're showing a point as Facism and Communism are bitter enemies.

i am back of Tiber,you are right,janpan was imperialistic and Germany was Nazi.
and we, chinese,love peace and hate war.

Tiber, I've read a lot of your postings and all you seem to do is want to pick a fight with everyone who doesn't share the same view as you do. Why is being right and being the one on top so important to you? You end up missing the point on half of the things you respond to.

Half of my family is either Christian or Catholic, and the religions teach to love thy own neighbor like a brother, and to pray for thine own enemies that their souls may be saved from straying onto the wrong path. Just because someone is trying to kill you like Mousallini and Hitler, doesn't mean you disregard your beliefs and kill everyone who stands in your way thusly making it the right thing to do, and being an example for which everyone should fallow, which is how you're making it sound. I know a ton of people who'd like to smack you for selling that off as how people of your faith work.

No, instead, true followers of the religion understand the need to fight when opposed, but even though they fight the enemy, they pray for them and try their best not to hold a grudge because they know their souls were mislead. Thus giving way to the art of forgiveness which is also a huge part of the faith. It is trough forgiveness and treating everyone as their own brother and family that peace is supposed to be achieved.

This brings me to the point that I believe Li1121 was trying to make. We all live on this same earth and (using another example from your faith) we are brothers and sisters, so why fight each other? We are all human and of the same blood. Everyone has family members they don't like or get along with, but we strive to find a common ground to maintain a sense of peace an unity non the less. So why not continue this on a global level and look past political parties and heritage to achieve this goal?

The reference to Buddhism was only a way of giving an example to convey this meaning in a concrete way that was (I believe) in Li1121's hopes, easier for you to understand when it became apparent that you didn't. You however, seem to take this out of context and link it to an issue which was not originally part of the forum, and apply it as an excuse for China to explain what's going on in Tibet. The original topic was of the children (teenagers?) wearing Nazi uniforms.

I believe what Li1121 was trying to say all along was that despite hard feelings felt in the past between countries and political parties (the Nazi topic- whatever the reason maybe that the youth dressed up), we as a race need to set them aside and come together for the better of the future, and to maintain them and fuel them is ridiculous and isn't doing anyone any good.

As for Nationalism, it is defined as having a strong sense of being, unity, and love for one's own country. You see this displayed at soccer games and the Olympics every year, or when a country is faced with a natural disaster. It's unfortunate that racism and superiority complexes are commonly linked in this, but that's what happens when you get uneducated individuals into the mix who have no idea what it means to be where they stand. All countries have problems with groups of their people contributing to this.

And it is even worse, when a countries' group of uneducated people, leads to an even larger group of uneducated people who can't distinguish one term from another, when solving the problem is as easy as picking up a dictionary...

It is knowing the proper definition of words and ideas, and having the ability to translate them correctly that prevents misunderstanding and hard feelings between people of different cultures, values, beliefs, and backgrounds the world wide, thus making finding a common ground between them possible. Is that not the purpose of this site?

I ask that before rushing in and posting whatever comes to your mind of what you think others are saying, that you read into it a bit more and ask questions before jumping to a conclusion. Otherwise you just fall into that "assume" category.......

Sorry but im what they call a 'bad catholic'. This means i don't believe truely. I'm actually more of a Darwinist. We evolved and all that. I'd love to believe in religion but its talks some crap, and the leader of my religion just happened to be a nazi (past tense) and won't allow many strong catholic people in Africa to use contraception when it is needed most. He by himself by keeping the no contraception rule has probably killed a good few thousand people, or even millions.

I, however do agree with what you have said, though much of the time i was switiching through topics which happened to be about tibet. My rash posts were usually because i'd get someone saying mind your own business, and when i finally made some sense that most ocupations of today have resources behind them, no one else saw the link.

I have a rather pessimistic view of humanity and even though we do, do good, many of us fall into doing bad.

As i am a darwinist, i'd love for the point that Li1121 to be true. But we are naturely not going to do that, we rely on our animalistic nature and our fear is that someone we hold more power then themselves.

youngers in that video who were in uniform have absolutely nothing with the subjet of the report. they were only in a game park where they played a game. it's like in a theater or in a film, there are two opposite sides in a war. you can see that they were enjoying the game, and they haven't said anything that makes people think about 'nationlism'.....so be quiet.

Yeh, but wearing such a uniform, was bit stupid. My country did not fight for near enough six years to see people just 'mucking about' with something that has so much meaning. We were bombed and we were left bitterly poor because of the war. Because of the war we were in the americans pockets fro 62 years. Hundreds of thousands of men died and you say turn a blind eye.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tiber.... What about Harry the Nazi. Going to his friend's fancy dress birthday party wearing a German desert uniform and a swastika armband. hahaha!

Trying to raise the furor / Fuhrer on this thread?

lmao isn't that what bombed pearl harbor?

ouch.


But I own a subaru!

Who beleives the western media anyway??

Smurkledunk Exactly ! u took the words outto my mind !
I will never trust western media ! I try not to be dependant from my media as well , i do my own investigations , i read and listen to waht people say ! People dont be dependant from your Local media too ! im not telling yee to stop watching or reading your media but just do your own investigations ! see what othere people have to say about a particular topic !

Yeah, Harry did but he got ripped to pieces by all the media. And the saitairists had a field day.

Also what is it with western media and eastern media. American media i admitt is party based like the british news papers. But european news is meant to be neutral in their standings. I agree you shouldn't rely wholey on one piece of media.

O, off topic, one really good book is called rogue nation.