i dont really china and north korea are still being ally anymore.but one thing for sure is,if there's any country which would attrack north korea,china will HAS TO help north korea,but we dont want get in fight like before no more,we want peace.

"i dont really china and north korea are still being ally anymore"

Don't really what? Think? Care? Want?

I believe he meant think.

Anyway Korea launched their whatever it was, and now people are going crazy. I think it's funny lol.

Uberche Wrote:
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> "i dont really china and north korea are still
> being ally anymore"
>
> Don't really what? Think? Care? Want?


Think

China is not old china anymore,neither of north korea.What i meant is China would probably do the best to prevent the war happens,But if north korea would do whatever it wants without listening the advices from other countries,I dont know then.

China and NK are still Allies, they will be until South Korea turns Communist or North Korea collapses upon itself. China needs NK as a buffer against SK and the US wants SK as a buffer against NK, it's s sad situation for the Koreans as, the SKs anyway, they mostly all just want peace and to see their families again.

Uberche Wrote:
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> China and NK are still Allies, they will be until
> South Korea turns Communist or North Korea
> collapses upon itself. China needs NK as a buffer
> against SK and the US wants SK as a buffer against
> NK, it's s sad situation for the Koreans as, the
> SKs anyway, they mostly all just want peace and to
> see their families again.


you're right.just like china and Pakistan's situation.no profits,no war,no friends.there's no permanent friends but permanent profits。

Ignoring the warning of the international society, North Korea launched the missile. The sanction on North Korea should be made.

First, the nations should apply the U.N resolution 1718 on this event. A new resolution concerning the missile crisis should be drafted immediately. The sanction on North Korea should be continued regardless of the United States removing North Korea from the terror supporting nations list

If North Korea tries to solidify its position as a nuclear state, the international states should prevent this disatster. North Korea completely betrayed the good wills of the 6 party talks.

If the international society does not pay attention, the North Korea will develope new kinds of WMD. The neighboring nations should be on alert and unite against this menace. If the nations stand together, they shall prevail.

I still don't see how NK is that stupid that they feel they can get away firing nukes at any country especially SK, Japan, or the US. The US has many nukes and can point 4 or 5 right at NK easily. I'm sure NK knows this...all of this fear of NK having nukes seems funny to me and I don't buy into it all the way, and even if they really really do have them I don't buy into the idea that they really will use them.

I don't see what the US has to do with this this - America supports her allies, and they try to promote their own interests, but....what makes that different from any other government? People doing the whole rant about Evil America, it's so passe.

North Korea mostly pulls these stunts to force more aid - they've been doing it for decades. They make demands and then make a few concessions to get extra oil and humanitarian aid (at least, it's labelled humanitarian aid).

The latest actions of NK went a way too far - even the Japanese are beginning to talk about re-armament, which before was completely unheard of.

No country is clean morally, but no another country like NK exists. Just look at pictures of Pyongyang - it looks like a vision of 1984. The people who have been raised in that kind of environment will never be the same.

Baoluo87, North Korea didn't want anything to do with the elite rich from the west, so they closed themselves off. In one way North Korea kept their sovereign identity, in another way it's put their country in a poor position. It was a give and take and they chose which way they wanted to go.

I also agree with you that the Evil America rant is old. What a lot of people don't understand is that their own countries are just as bad.

Japan isn't just rearming because NK. It's rearming because Asia is going to be in the spotlight of world affairs int eh next century and it would be stupid to not rearm after the shit it's done to it's neighbours in the past...

LOL you are saying Japan is a little nervous I take it??

If they weren't they'd be crazy. There's enough anger against Japan in all her neighbours to make anyone nervous. Also plenty of conflicts with China, Russia and Korea over what is parts of Japan and what isn't....

“The Democratic People's Republic of Korea successfully conducted one more underground nuclear test on May 25 as part of measures to bolster its nuclear deterrent for self-defense" the North's official Korean Central News Agency was quoted as saying.

North Korea warned on April 29 that it would conduct the second test, following its first in October 2006, in protest against the U.N. Security Council's rebuke for its April rocket launch.

Ignoring the sanctions made by the United Nations, North Korea has conducted a ballistic missile test and now this time they are threatening the Korean peninsula as well as the entire world with a nuclear arms test.

From this nuclear test, North Korea has isolated itself even more from the global society which would only result in harsher sanctions and worsened economical state. The blowback would eventually effect the citizens of North Korea.

Kim Jong-il's aggressive nuclear actions would only suffer the poor people of North Korea. Jong-il, you are truly an unforgivable axis of evil.

As with both North and South Korea since the 20th century, both countries and the actions they take are proxies between the ongoing and unresolved military hostilities between the US and China.

Since any nation in the World today knows a nuclear first-strike would only result in the total destruction of the whole World, the real question to ask in regards of the North Korean nuclear test is not who is the target, but rather what response does this action hope to achieve?

Stay Tuned!

OK I agree. Korea is still split thanks to meddling from both China and the US. But even China isn't too happy with the actions of North Korea these days. Even though China still has the ability to go in and slap North Korea in the back of the head like an older brother and tell North Korea to calm down.

Still I think its interesting that North Korea is really pushing for its advancement of nuclear weapons. As we both know N. Korea is not funded by the world elite, therefore N. Korea with it's 1 million man military is a very large threat to the elite. I don't think N. Korea has a real target, I think they are just trying to be on the military level of the rest of the world powers....at least for now.

Also, if the US is so worried about other countries having nuclear technology the US should never have released the documents that contained the information on how to do it. So whatever happens I don't care. If there is a nuke strike and then the whole world lets loose with nuclear power then good. I hope the entire planet dies off then.

The US should just nuke the hell out out North Korea so they learn their place in the world . They are low worthless things that take up space. Look at them they are a small little country that's like as big as one US state and they have the nerve to threaten the US!? F**k the North Koren scums they all deserve to die.

Sure they deserve to die, but if that is the case the whole world should be done in that way, not just north korea. After all scum is part of the entire world and the worst of the scum usually end up running everything and making it the way they want it to be.

So no, the US shouldn't just nuke the hell out of North Korea. The US should send Nukes all over the world, Russia should send Nukes all over the world, China should, Pakistan should, North Korea should, Israel should, the UK should, France should, and so should anyway else who has nukes as well. This way we are at least being fair and the entire human race will go.

Then that way at least all is fair and everyone becomes equal again.

North Korea launched missiles and conducted nuclear tests. This is a serious threat to the stability of the North east Asia

North Korea is trying to demolish South Korea and the international society will isolate the North.

The 6 party talk is trying to ease the tension, but the odds are not high.

The traditional North Korean Allies, China and Russia, denounced the North Korean Missile launch and nuclear test. The madness of North Korea should be punished.

In order to prevent North Korea from doing any more rash moves, the international society should make tough sanctions against North Korea.

Any new sanctions will not deter the current or future actions of North Korea.

Everyone should know that North Korea does not make any provocative move without the consent and blessing of China.

Hence, one should ask the question why does China allow North Korea to proceed in the actions it is currently taking.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2009 11:15AM by Overseas.Born.Chinese.

I've still never seen any valid reason for why NK shouldn't be allowed to do what they want if they aren't hurting anyone else...

They are like a spoiled Child screaming for attention...

I agree that they can sanction N. Korea all they want, its not going to change a thing. I don't agree that N. Korea can only do things with China's consent. There have been too many times China's walked into N. Korea, slapped N. Korea in the back of the head, and said "sit the fuck down you are in time out until you can act decent."

But in all truth. I think N. Korea should be allowed to do as they see fit for themselves. Of course I do believe they should be threatened, cuz I mean hey I live right on the outside of Chicago, Lake Michigan is right here. So Chicago is a good target for having it's water supply tainted....plus if a nuke hit Chicago as soon as that heat touched the water it would cause such a horrible blast of steam to come through and steam boil everyone and everything in it's wake lol.

But no seriosly if NK makes nuke missles, I don't see it being any different than Paikistan, India, UK, or France having Nukes.

Overseas.Born.Chinese Wrote:
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> Hence, one should ask the question why does China
> allow North Korea to proceed in the actions it is
> currently taking.

Man, that's a great question! You took the words right out of my mouth! Indeed, why does China want to help N.Korea so much? What does being an ally with such a dangerous little nation say about the true nature of the Chinese leaders?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2009 03:17PM by Brumegepard.

Lordarithon Wrote:
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> But in all truth. I think N. Korea should be
> allowed to do as they see fit for themselves. Of
> course I do believe they should be threatened, cuz
> I mean hey I live right on the outside of Chicago,
> Lake Michigan is right here. So Chicago is a good
> target for having it's water supply
> tainted....plus if a nuke hit Chicago as soon as
> that heat touched the water it would cause such a
> horrible blast of steam to come through and steam
> boil everyone and everything in it's wake lol.

the problem is not so much NK firing a missile at at Chicago. But their willingness to sell their weapons to the highest bidder. Terrorists who are more than willing to fire an nuclear missile at America, that's where the problem is at.


> But no seriosly if NK makes nuke missles, I don't
> see it being any different than Paikistan, India,
> UK, or France having Nukes.

well, for one thing, India, UK, France are democratically elected governments. They will never sell their nukes to terrorists. Pakisitan is not so stable right now, so I don't want to comment so soon on them.

China's support of North Korea is out of necessity. If you are familiar with the concept of buffer states, North Korea is the buffer state against the Western dominated South Korea. China would be foolish to leave this invasion route to China open.

If you remember, Japan used the Korean peninsula to invade China in 1929 as did the US did in the Korean War in 1950. Since history has a way of repeating itself, it would be foolish to not support the government in North Korea, no matter what ideology they may have.

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they want NK regime because as log as the West keeps eyes focused onNK, they won't look at China (no democracy, human rights, rule of law,...)

moreover, China can demand from NK regime whatever she wants him to do: China is the exclusive food supplier for NK, the only trade partner...

Overseas.Born.Chinese Wrote:
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> China's support of North Korea is out of
> necessity. If you are familiar with the concept
> of buffer states, North Korea is the buffer state
> against the Western dominated South Korea. China
> would be foolish to leave this invasion route to
> China open.

but isn't this "Cold War" mentality? China isn't fully democratic yet, but China has integrated into the world community. why does China need to fear that the Americans are going to invade?


> If you remember, Japan used the Korean peninsula
> to invade China in 1929 as did the US did in the
> Korean War in 1950. Since history has a way of
> repeating itself, it would be foolish to not
> support the government in North Korea, no matter
> what ideology they may have.

U.S never invaded China, get your facts straight. U.S were temporarily trying to liberate the whole of Korea. Whether they wanted to also liberate China, that's highly debatable.

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Unknown to most Westerners, small elements of the US army did make its way past the Yalu River and into China. The American veterans of the Korean War that I had the privilege to speak to stated that "as their main force was nearing the Yalu River, reconnaissance units already were in China." The US and UN units did have every intention of invading China with their excuse being to pursue the remaining military units of the DPRK.

Fortunately for China as well as the US being forewarned by Mao, crossing the 38th Parallel and nearing the Yalu River would necessitate a Chinese military response. Hence, Marshal Peng De Huai began China's counterattack, whose successful military counterattack resulted in a complete withdrawal of all US and UN military units north and south of the Yalu River.

You guys are also forgetting something else. NK has a massive military sitting behind it's border, China doesn't want to have to deal with that as well. It's better to just stay friendly with a 1 million man military. Sure China has a bigger one and all that but still 1 million people can put some hurt on anyone no matter how many more of the others there are.

As always OBC is partly right and partly talking out his ass.

Some US troops DID invade China during the Korean war because they knew that the NK's who were fleeing were moving into China and would counter attack if they did not try to finish the job. There was never any plans to invade China fully though except for a couple of Generals who advocated it (MacArthur advocated dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Beijing in fact) but it was not truly considered by the president.

Mao was worried they would though and hence his joining in on the counter attack and driving the US/SK forces back, It all reached a stale mate because China and NK didn't have the ability to extend their supply lines with the US Air Force fully in control of the skies and the US/SK force were unable to move north because of the sheer number of forces put against them on the ground.