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Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Wobbles (IP Logged)
Date: December 16, 2009 06:23AM
what's the difference between 改变 and 变 ?

They both mean to change, transform... so what makes them different usage wise?

For example:
来中国后, 他改变了对中国的看法。

天气得越来越冷了。

谢谢

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Guanpc (IP Logged)
Date: December 16, 2009 09:14AM
Basically, 改变 means initiative and 变 passiveness, or, the first one is a transitive verb, but the second one intransitive.
e.g.
you can see 如果你不能改变社会,你就只能改变你自己。nodoby say 变社会. Similar with this, there is a book name as 他改变了中国, in here, we cannot say 他变了中国.

for the 变, you can say 天气变暖了. you cannot say 天气改变暖了.

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Enricobrasil (IP Logged)
Date: December 16, 2009 11:10AM
This explanation opened my eyes for a new way of looking at the difference between 1 character verbs and 2 character verbs... thumbs up

But I think it goes deeper than that...

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Wobbles (IP Logged)
Date: December 17, 2009 09:14PM
我问我的老师。。。

改变: 想法, 看法, 方式, 习惯
变: 得(形), 越来越(形)

I do think it goes deeper than that, but until then, i'll take the above ground point for now.

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Guanpc (IP Logged)
Date: December 19, 2009 04:12AM
Did you think the following 变 still is an adj? smiling smiley
1.变魔术
2.变天了
3.人生若只如初见,何事秋风悲画扇,等闲变却故人心,却道故人心易变

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Wobbles (IP Logged)
Date: December 20, 2009 06:46PM
no...

but i'm not sure how to think about it in the passive/initiative form of view..

can you elaborate?

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Herohelps (IP Logged)
Date: December 20, 2009 11:29PM
Wobbles Wrote:
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> no...
>
> but i'm not sure how to think about it in the
> passive/initiative form of view..
>
> can you elaborate?


I think best answer was told by your teacher

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: 0zhang9 (IP Logged)
Date: December 24, 2009 01:30PM
改变 is a verb
变 is a adj

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Theme (IP Logged)
Date: December 27, 2009 09:06AM
0zhang9 Wrote:
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> 改变 is a verb
> 变 is a adj


Good answer here though

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Ahandac (IP Logged)
Date: December 27, 2009 10:22AM
the difference is subtle, we choose by feelings not by rules.dont try to find a rule,it doesnt exist,dont afraid make mistake,the more mistake u made,the better feelings u get

as a learner,the best way is find the wrong case first and avoid it.改变 is often used。变 is often with “得”or“了”

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Enricobrasil (IP Logged)
Date: December 30, 2009 10:41AM
"dont try to find a rule,it doesnt exist"

This is the greatest bullshit I've ever read in this forum...

Re: Difference between 改变 and 变
Posted by: Nyshuijingbaobei (IP Logged)
Date: January 13, 2010 05:53PM
there is a rule, but yeah, sometimes with chinese its hard to explain, theres just sort of a 感觉... I think. 改变 is used when you say, can you change me? 能不能改变我? So it's better used as a verb. but... you could still use 变 as a verb too right? its not just an adjective like you can say: "我已经变了" hmm..



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