O, by the way. Good luck with the olympics, but better luck with human rights and freedom of speech.

Tiber
Let me tell you the last time.
I am very happy to be a Chinese citizen. I am a happiness girl in my whole life. I never want to be an english or an American. Really!!! I am happy that I am a Chinese. I am very lucky. Whatever you said on this forum, none one of Chinese people will agree with you. And you are also too rude here. Just relax and use your good english words to argue with people, but the most important thing for you is that you really need to come to China and see it. I believe you would make a lot of good Chinese friends here. Don't angry with people disagree with you! Because you are argueing with Chinese people. You are protecting your country, we are protecting our country. That's true. But we have a common point that we love our own country and hope the world could peace. China in your mind is a 1940s-1970s China but not a 2000s China. I not angry with you about what you were saying here any more. Because we just protect our own country. That's a truth. Chinese people have all of the human rights and very free. I am growing very happy, healthy, and got a good education. So I am working right now. And I have a good job in China. Beijing Olympics doesn't have any relationship with politics or human rights,especilly Tibet but sports. But if you want to put them in it, then that's your problem. I don't know how to say anything to you!

You say these things, but could i go to your government and say they were crap. Yes or no? Because you could here.

I do not argue that china hasn't improved what so ever. But china is still breaking human rights laws in some provinces and colonies. And the one child law is a complete breach of human rights. Your not meant to be able to do that.

You also can't guide your government, they guide you. It is meant to be the other way around. It is these things that i argue against. The fact that although life may be getting better, you still don't have a say in how your government is run. I would like to see a china where the people are in control. Where there is news by the people not the government and so on.

I have no disagreement with the olympics in china. The reason people are protesting now is because china must listen to them. And it is harming chinas pride and reputation by not doing so and making up that it is to stop the olympics. The olympics are just sport nothing else. The protesting is just using the publicity of the olympics. It doesn't mean they want to destroy it.

Tiber
I don't want to talk to you any more. You are too sticking your own opinion!Whatever you said. I am proud of my country and proud of being a Chinese!

no actually my opinions have changed and it seems like you don't even bother reading my replys to your replies. I think you have no real opinion of you rown as all you have done is blurted out nothing of consequence. It is 'i love my nation, china is best, everbody is jealous of the chinese.' But you won't change your views what so ever.

*tripe from a man who has no decent morality*

Morality
1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

Decent
1. conforming to the recognized standard of propriety, good taste, modesty, etc., as in behavior or speech.

You are calling me a man lacking any "decent morality" on the basis that I describe my own country's bad points?

Don't argue, that's exactly what your sentence says, without fiddling with interpretations.

I already stated that what China is doing is bad, ugly and other negative adjectives. It shouldn't be able to happen in this world, but it is. Have you heard of "Blackwater"? The mercinary group hired by the US to get around following international law? And don't pretend like Britain isn't funding that. Or do you think it's ok for us to do that in the middle east where they are all "barbaric fanatics" anyway and deserve to be tortured, but not okay in China, where they are all "peaceful monks" and innocent victims of a dictatorship.
And you're telling me that a true democracy still exists in America. Then why does it take a campain budget of at least over $80million/year(USD) to win an election? And if you ask most american's why they are voting for the candidates they choose, most of them have no idea about the political stance of any candidate.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not praising China for the atrocities it has and is still committing against its people. I'm just saying the world is being extremely hypocritical to attack China for something they all (some more than others) practice. You can't say that what China is doing is worse than what America is doing in other countries. Unless you believe that anyone possessing any sort of decent morality would not judge the actions outside of ones own country.
Also, should America give back Puerto Rico and Guam, or other territories? How about Hawaii? Well, you may say that they still want to be part of the US. Then how about Hong Kong? They didn't want to separate from Britain either, but you guys let them go didn't you? Quebec comes far from wanting to be part of Canada, but Canada doesn't want them to secede. Why, because it is to the profit and benifit of Canada to keep Quebec part of its country.
As far as Britain apologizing for slavery, sure they did:
BBC Sunday, 25 March 2007 Tony Blair expressed "deep sorrow" for the slave trade, saying: "We are sorry."
Goodness, sorry, that really was a heartfelt apology, I was wrong.
And if you think there is no false news in Britain, think again [www.rense.com]
Anyway, once again, I'm not calling the world to turn a blind eye to what the PRC is doing, I'm asking to take a non-biased approach to addressing your own country's problems and acts of injustice. If everyone did that, including China, we'd have a lot fewer problems.

And now I read on...in dissapointment...to you next posting on April 29, 2008 08:04AM. You are so tragically diluted by your own county's propaganda. You really believe you have a say in what happens and that the country is lead by the "people". It's a little bit sad that you don't realize that the world is driven by money, unfortunatley. And money is driving 80% of politicians. And human-rights, education, and "decent morality" are taking a back-seat to this greedy monster. Also, I'm afraid that an objective view as to what you are being taught in school is not possible until you are out of school. Anyway, wish you all the luck in the future.

No, but our government cannot get away with as much as the chinese government. The competition between the parties means that to win the vote they must at least acknowledge the peoples complaints. They must come up with ideas to solve these problems and to stay in power they must keep their promises. Sadly Governments don't always but they still try to get the public on there side. Of course i know that many things to do with politics is money. But in our society the public have a small say in how our country is run. Also, as i have said i know my country is not perfect. We did wrong in the past. And to say i'm sorry for something my ancestors did 150 years ago is better then nothing. What are we meant to do take all black people from Africa that were involved in the slave trade and put them back.

Also in this country our welfare state is at a high standard. Homes for the homeless, benefits for those who do not have work, National health service, and more little things that make life easier for people. Like if i continue my education and do A levels i get £30 each week. You don't hear of these in other countries. My country is not perfect, but i can assure you it is a damn site better then the majority of others.

Also i don't care about america, i don't care about canada, that is there country with trivial things. They do not suffer such sever human rights issues. Such as the one child policy, and of course the documentary that your government won't listen to, dispatches. Some tibetans show there scars from forced sterilisation without anaesthetics. Why is this not given when you force an operation on someone. No psychological help to the women. Nothing, Nadar.

What i say is 'Governments should fear there people, not people fearing there governments' is a famous saying. Based round Guy Falkes and such. There is a good film, not about china but a political system, it controls the media etc. It is based in Britain, It is called V for Vendetta.

Freedom of speech is an unbelievable experience. It is an experience i take for granted, many can't share it and nor can china. China cannot vote for fairer life styles. They cannot vote for there country to get better. What happens when you do not have a good economy, when there is an economical slump. As it is only when your country now owns most of the trade around the world have your lifes got better. Ours got better after our empire after the second world war.

Also the reason we fight along side the americans is because we were in debt. We only paid off our debt last year in 2007 from the second world war. Now that is over we can move away from them. The nation that sucks everyone else dry so they may live happily.

Look, i like china and all. I actually want to go teach English in china. When i go i want to be able to speak freely. I want to speak of different politics. If you changed just the freedom of speech rule i would believe china to be a descent country. But sadly you haven't.

If this makes no sense or is a bit odd it is because i'm knackered at the moment and have been doing Graphics coursework. Please say it doesn't make sense because its not true.

Tibet wants to be part of the Olympics not Boycott it!

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I am an American and have always been. I cannot say I have always been proud of everything and everyone that is American. Like all countries we have our good and bad. There are thing about my country that I am deeply proud of and thing which I am ashamed of as well.

If you have never been to China then you should start each sentence with I heard or I read this about China. Then you should remember the old saying that goes something like, “Don't Believe Anything You Hear -- and only Half What You See”

If any of my fellow American will remember this when speaking here or anywhere else then maybe just maybe I want have to be ashamed of you.

I have been to China twice my wife is Chinese. I have heard the Dolly Llama speak, if you cannot say the same you should realize you are a puppet on a string and know only that someone has pulled your string vomiting all you have been told or read.

If I started telling you about how beautiful the northern lights are and how cold it got in Alaska and how to survive the cold you would only thing that was valuable if I had been there. If I told you I read it in a book or saw it on TV my words would not have as much meaning and little real value.

The same is true of anyone that has never been to China and is stupid enough to come here or anywhere else and be arrogant enough to tell the Chinese people what wrong with their country.

Yes we have the right of freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want, but you could get arrested for it even here in America. You do not have the right to yell fire in a crowded building when there is no fire, you cannot talk about killing a member of our government or over throwing our government because you could get arrested. Depends on who hears you and if you are taken serious or if they think you’re a nut. Personaly I think your a nut and I can say that because I am an American and I can be just as stupid and arrogant as you are. Funny how I have more respect for the chinese people than I do you, wonder why?

Yes we have freedom of speech and people prove it every day by voicing their opinion and showing how stupid and arrogant they are. If you never been to China if you do not have any close Chinese friend and you come here and get on a soap box and tell people how it is in china you should be ignored by anyone who comes here. If you chose to reply to me don’t waste your time. While you can say anything you want I have the freedom to ignore you and I will not waste my time with your words any more.

If no one speaks to you, you will go away because you will realize your words have no value here and you cannot get the attention you desire.

Did I say I think your vane, aragent and stupid. Have I offende you? Well good. If I offended any one that was Chinese then I apologize that was not my intended desire. The Chinese don't need me to express myself for them but I would like to make it clear that Americans have different thoughts on many things. Most of the time you only hear from the truly arrogent ones. I to busy to put this must time into being stupid.

TJ

Interesting reading on this forum. First of all it seems like some people have said some bad things about Americans. That's not surprizing since our president is a jack ass and has given us a bad name because of his decisions.
I for one I'm glad that people protested the Olympic torch relay. China decided to use it as propaganda and it seem like it backfired on them. They are finding out the hard way that they cannot brainwash people around the world like they do with their own people.
On another note if China is so great like some people here have suggested then why are so many Chinese leaving China? I've been around the world and it seems like in every country that I have been, there is a Chinese community.
We American sort of look down on Mexico and see it as a third world country. That being said not long ago I was in Tijuana, Mexico (one of the ugliest and worst cities that Mexico has to offer) and guess what? I saw Chinese people walking on the streets! I thought to myself, "wow China has got be a really bad place to live in if the Chinese much rather live in a dump like this". I mean we have Mexicans risking their lives to come over to the US so that they can have a better future.
By the way I have nothing agains the Chinese people. While I was in Tijuana, Mexico I was sitting down on a back street when I saw two little Chinese kids run by. One of them was a little Chinese girl about two years old perhaps, a bit older. She looked so cute and seemed so happy, she reminded me of my own little daughter. I felt sorry for her and her parents and wondered what hardships they endured back in China that made them decide to immigrate to a place like TJ.

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Look, the whole freedom of speech thing and helping run your own government by voting i thought would be very important to have a fair nation. Throughout our history in europe being under dictatorship and lords hasn't turned out best for us. In England during the industrial revoloution we lords and business owners were hrash and cruel. They paid bad wages and to put england in focus 100 years ago we were a thrid world nation. Even with an empire people lived in housing that had refuse running through there houses, for a lrge majority of history around the american and french revolutions people couldn't gather together. When they did in manchester there was a slaughter. It was called peterloo. Horse man sliced into large crowds lsitening to speakers. Women and children included. I can go on and say more about our history when we didn't have tye vote and when we weren't cared about. As soon as we had freedom of speach and the vote things improved. In france they improved and in spain and so on.

From history it seems that a lack of freedom of speech and a no vote to help run government was bad. But hopefully its changed. I haven't been to china but from what i have heard some leaders from opposition parties to the communist government were sent to prison for metal reason without trial. I know we can't speak with the crappy terrorist act in play but i think that is wrong.