Search the dictionary
Search Chinese-Tools.com
View recent posts | Search | Navigate:

Goto Thread: PreviousNext
Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Philchit (IP Logged)
Date: January 06, 2009 11:24PM
If Chinese is to be a world language, like say english or Spanish, then there are going to be lots of varieties and not all of them "native speaker" versions. So my question is, does Chinese belong only to China or to anyone who seeks to learn it? Can there only be one true Chinese language (including all current dialects)?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2009 06:22AM by Olive.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Qooco (IP Logged)
Date: January 06, 2009 11:39PM
I hope Chinese would be an international language as popular as English, If that day comes, Chinese will not only belong to China~~
Your question is interesting~~~~

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2009 06:26AM by Olive.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Tcicy (IP Logged)
Date: January 07, 2009 03:27PM
agree with you ~~
you can do it ~~~do your best~~drinking smiley

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Uberche (IP Logged)
Date: January 09, 2009 10:01AM
Philchit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Can there only be one true Chinese
> language (including all current dialects)?

That there are already so many different dialects (with some COMPLETELY different) shows that Chinese can never be considered a singular language. Much like English, different parts of the world speak very different English.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Philchit (IP Logged)
Date: January 11, 2009 04:37AM
But do different parts of the world speak different Chinese? Are there new dialects e.g. 老外话? What i mean is that there are many different varieties of English and they are all valid: England does not own them and they have their own character and culture. So can this be the same for Chinese or will 大华 always be the only reference point for what is "real" Chinese? Can ther be versions of Chinese that are spoken by non-Chinese persons that are valid cultural and communication systems?

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Ho.C (IP Logged)
Date: January 11, 2009 04:57AM
now? yes.future?sorry,i'm not sure.but what i know is,the popularity of one language,usually cause by the history matter(aggression).
one true Chinese language(including all current dialects)?Putonghua said by Beijing's guy.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2009 06:13AM by Ho.C.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Canuck (IP Logged)
Date: January 11, 2009 05:13AM
of course not only belong to China, you could take Chinese in highschool or college here in Canada.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Spongeword (IP Logged)
Date: January 11, 2009 05:41AM
Philchit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> But do different parts of the world speak
> different Chinese? Are there new dialects e.g.
> 老外话? What i mean is that there are many
> different varieties of English and they are all
> valid: England does not own them and they have
> their own character and culture. So can this be
> the same for Chinese or will 大华 always be the
> only reference point for what is "real" Chinese?


The differences between English in US, England, and Australia are all very minor. Mostly just slang terms, and the accents are distinct, but there is almost no confusion generally.

I believe most of the Chinese communities worldwide ("China town" in various cities) speak Cantonese, and not much Mandarin.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Uberche (IP Logged)
Date: January 11, 2009 10:58AM
Philchit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> But do different parts of the world speak
> different Chinese? Are there new dialects e.g.
> 老外话? What i mean is that there are many
> different varieties of English and they are all
> valid: England does not own them and they have
> their own character and culture. So can this be
> the same for Chinese or will 大华 always be the
> only reference point for what is "real" Chinese?
> Can ther be versions of Chinese that are spoken by
> non-Chinese persons that are valid cultural and
> communication systems?

There is no English that is spoken by non-English speaking people that are considered valid.

Different English Speaking countries have different accents and Slang/Idioms but it's all English.

Different cities (sometimes different areas of the same City) have different Chinese dialects that sometimes varies so greatly it is literally another language. Nantong for exmple has Nantong Hua which sounds very similar to Japanese and no other Chinese people can understand it. Haimen, a "small" city of a million people has two distinct and different Dialecs. Imagine if the some small city of 100,000 people in the US spoke two different languages and couldn't understand each other unless they used the standard PutongHua...

Chinese, from what I have seen, is the most fractured language int eh world already. My friend rode his motorbike from Inner Mongolia to Tibet in the west of China and he speaks pretty good Mandarin but there were many small towns where he couldn't talk to people because no one knew Mandarin. Only Chinese writing is standardized.

Though I guess outside of China there are only two different versions. So I guess it is only China's really. But English is only English speaking country's. There is no valid foreigner English that I've ever heard of.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2009 11:00AM by Uberche.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Philchit (IP Logged)
Date: January 13, 2009 10:02PM
Uberche Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Philchit Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But do different parts of the world speak
> > different Chinese? Are there new dialects e.g.
> > 老外话? What i mean is that there are many
> > different varieties of English and they are all
> > valid: England does not own them and they have
> > their own character and culture. So can this be
> > the same for Chinese or will 大华 always be
> the
> > only reference point for what is "real"
> Chinese?
> > Can ther be versions of Chinese that are spoken
> by
> > non-Chinese persons that are valid cultural and
> > communication systems?
>
> [i]There is no English that is spoken by non-English
> speaking people that are considered valid.
>
> Different English Speaking countries have
> different accents and Slang/Idioms but it's all
> English.
>
> Different cities (sometimes different areas of the
> same City) have different Chinese dialects that
> sometimes varies so greatly it is literally
> another language. Nantong for exmple has Nantong
> Hua which sounds very similar to Japanese and no
> other Chinese people can understand it. Haimen, a
> "small" city of a million people has two distinct
> and different Dialecs. Imagine if the some small
> city of 100,000 people in the US spoke two
> different languages and couldn't understand each
> other unless they used the standard PutongHua...
>
> Chinese, from what I have seen, is the most
> fractured language int eh world already. My friend
> rode his motorbike from Inner Mongolia to Tibet in
> the west of China and he speaks pretty good
> Mandarin but there were many small towns where he
> couldn't talk to people because no one knew
> Mandarin. Only Chinese writing is standardized.
>
> Though I guess outside of China there are only two
> different versions. So I guess it is only China's
> really. But English is only English speaking
> country's. There is no valid foreigner English
> that I've ever heard of.


Well, what about Indian English, Singaporean English, Maltese English, Philippino English, Aboriginal English......How are these not valid. Its not like there is an Academy of English that approves or disapproves Englishes. Whata re your criteria for validity?

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Uberche (IP Logged)
Date: January 14, 2009 03:30AM
Philchit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Well, what about Indian English, Singaporean
> English, Maltese English, Philippino English,
> Aboriginal English......How are these not valid.
> Its not like there is an Academy of English that
> approves or disapproves Englishes. Whata re your
> criteria for validity?

These aren't forms of English. They are English with accents. A Singaporean who wants to get a good job in English should practice to lose their accent because there is no such thing as Singaporean English. You can't go to another country and tell people "Let me teach you Singaporean English" because A)It doesn't exist and cool smileyNo one would want to learn it because it's not really English.

It's like claiming Chinglish is a valid form of English. No. It's American or British English with an accent.

As for who decides, Dictionary makers and English professors I guess.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Rocher.Emeraude (IP Logged)
Date: January 19, 2009 05:08AM
Is it acceptable to say that for now there are China Chinese and Taiwan Chinese ?

You know in the translation field, people already speak that way. They require translators to have a knowledge of the language in the country for which the translation is intended.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Uberche (IP Logged)
Date: January 19, 2009 11:20AM
I think you'd also have to add Hong Kong Chinese to that list. Maybe even Minority Chinese (too many for me to want to list individually now).

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Rocher.Emeraude (IP Logged)
Date: January 19, 2009 05:38PM
Well, I meant Chinese language in its full form - only Mainland Putonghua and Taiwan mandarin are in this case (written + spoken of the same language).

In the case of HK, it is special because this is split between Oral cantonese and the Standard Chinese written in HK (which indeed is sometimes different in style from the written language on the mainland or in Taiwan). So one can say HK Chinese.

But for all other dialects, I guess there is no specificity unless you consider only the spoken (as the written (of Chinese) is not different whichever the dialect).

I found the following on another forum :
Quote:
What the continuum looks like to me, from most formal to least formal:
Classical Chinese (most formal)
(large gap)
Formal written Chinese in Taiwan
Formal written Chinese in HK
(gap)
Formal written Chinese in China
Informal written Chinese in HK
Informal written Chinese in Taiwan
Cantonese song lyrics
Informal written Chinese in China
Written vernacular Mandarin in Taiwan
Mandarin song lyrics
Written vernacular Mandarin in China
Quite intesting I think. And it also refers to 3 Chinese (written) language environments.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Moroes (IP Logged)
Date: January 19, 2009 11:33PM
Zhongguo means center nation!
Zhongguohua means The language of the CENTER of the UNIVERSE!!!!!

With all their mentality about being center of the universe! So its not about the world owning Chinese, its the Chinese owning the world! They say "One China, One World, China's World!".

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Nannan (IP Logged)
Date: February 02, 2009 07:41PM
Moroes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Zhongguo means center nation!
> Zhongguohua means The language of the CENTER of
> the UNIVERSE!!!!!
>
> With all their mentality about being center of the
> universe! So its not about the world owning
> Chinese, its the Chinese owning the world! They
> say "One China, One World, China's World!".
---------------------------------------------------------------

Second to that!

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Mike.Huang (IP Logged)
Date: February 02, 2009 09:03PM
does Chinese belong only to China or to anyone who seeks to learn it?

if many other countries make Chinese as their first language or second language, then Chinese will belong to world. If you can lead enough people (millions) around you to speak chinese, i think you can make your special chinese valid. If you succeed, you'll be a great man in language histry. And we appreciate you success.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Lordarithon (IP Logged)
Date: February 05, 2009 07:48PM
I'll answer your question. There are other nations that speak Chinese as a second language from what I understand. It seems to be well known language in Singapore, and I believe Thailand it's a second language. Also it seems a second language in Vietnam...but I'm not so sure about Vietnam.

Anyway I could be wrong about the info I just gave you. I vaguely remember having a conversation, while drinking lots of alcohol, about other Asian countries speaking Chinese as a second language.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Izh34 (IP Logged)
Date: February 19, 2009 05:06AM
Don't forget about Malaysia. There are schools in Malaysia that teach Chinese language. And Malaysian Chinese are using Chinese language as their native language which Malaysia language as a second language. And their good in both languages.

Re: Does Chinese only belong to China?
Posted by: Ohhlive (IP Logged)
Date: February 20, 2009 05:39AM
各位有需要要学普通话的可以来找我啊,我应该可以帮助你们提高哦。
Chinese Boy seeking language friends

I'm a native chinese I'm currently study english hard every day,I think I can be of assistance to you for learning chinese, I hope I can receive you message,and adding me in.

让我们互相进步吧!

My email: [email protected]
My skype: [email protected]
My QQ : 240126800



This forum is currently read only. This is a temporary situation. Please check back later.
Copyright © VerticalScope Inc. All Rights Reserved.
page served in 0.073s